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why crap out on a lift when you want to DD it? All I'm saying is be careful not to ruin your ride with a crappier suspension (from what I hear that's rough country)
Wise you are.

For some reason, the saying "it's my DD" somehow forfeits quality or excuses the owner from addressing the suspension properly. If you drive your rig every day AND want to hit the trails, quality, durability and reliability better be at the top of your list unless you want to spend Sundays dealing with issues. Personally, I'd rather do something productive--like BBQ and drink while watching football.

Quality parts aren't cheap and this is a pay-to-play hobby. There's no way around it, regardless of if you buy off-the-shelf or fabricate your own.
 
Yeah, i didn't know that, i'm a complete beginner at all of this. I honestly haven't read to much on the SYE, from what i understood, i thought this was used my most to prevent vibrations that come w most lifts...
Dumb question, but how much would adjustable control arms benifit me for highway use??? I live in the desert, almost all flat ground here, so any off-roading my jeep will see will mostly be trailing, but like i mentioned before, my jeep won't see much of the dirt at all. I'm going to look into adjustable control arms, but if you could plz just give me a headstart and eplain the basics of their function, i would highly appriciate it :)
When you lift a Jeep, your pinion angle changes. Thus, you install an SYE and CV shaft to help combat those changes. But, a CV shaft requires a different pinion angle than the stock shaft does. For instance, the stock geometry should look like this:

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After you install the SYE/CV shaft, you need to rotate the axle so that you pinion then looks like this:

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To do this, you need upper and lower adjustable control arms so that you can fix the pinion angle, and properly place the axle so that at full bump you have no interference.

Okay i read up on some adjustable control arms, and i definalty want to throw that in my budget, my question now is... which ones do i need?? I mean i seen front upper, front lower, rear upper, and rear lower. @ around $200-$250 a pair, thats a grip load of money :/
I assume you've read what Imped wrote by now; I pretty much feel the same way. I currently daily drive my TJ, and will do so until I can buy myself a beater for work. Personally, I went the cheap route once and will never do it again. I need the reliability good parts provide. Like Imped said, I like to wheel all weekend without having to worry about fixing what I've broke so that I can get to work on Monday. So in my opinion, good quality parts are what you should go with. Buying cheaper means you'll be wearing out parts faster, and spending more time fixing problems. I did that for a while and decided I wanted my evenings and weekends back, as well as finally have a reliable vehicle.

Parts are expensive, but that's just the way it is. If you want to do things properly, you're going to have to shell out a few bucks. One way to look at it is if you buy quality stuff the first time, you won't be paying to fix a million little problems in the long run.

As far as control arm recommendations, I'd get anything with Johnny Joints at both ends. Savvy, Currie, and Rokmen are three good places to get those.
 
I'm sure this has been talked about 1000's of times on here, but i'm new to all this, just bought my first wrangler... 06 wrangler x. So i want to lift it, primarily for looks, i will be using it on the highway 80% of the time, so i don't need some hardcore lift kit.
What i want is a 3" lift so i can put 33's on my jeep.. what would u guys reccomend?
If you running all highway I would suggest no lift and no larger tires. Buy a Civic.
 
why crap out on a lift when you want to DD it? All I'm saying is be careful not to ruin your ride with a crappier suspension (from what I hear that's rough country)
you heard wrong, if you arent sure, or dont have experiance with something, perhaps you shouldnt talk down about it :)

Rough Country is an extremely capable lift, well mannered and depending on the kit very complete, but best of all they arent hung up on making you pay more for grey parts the way some companies use very expensive paint.

They are arguably the most affordable lift on the market, that doesnt make them bad at all.

Dont take my word for it, see for yourself.


i would like a suspension lift, as i will go trailing very lightly every now and then.. on the suspension kit, i'd like to stay under $700 or so.
As far as control arm recommendations, I'd get anything with Johnny Joints at both ends. Savvy, Currie, and Rokmen are three good places to get those.

Why would you need all that flex, articulation, and expense for 'light trails' ? Which 2 sets of arms do you think he should get to stay in his budget (assuming he wants arms and nothing else, not even a lift)?

You want a good kit you can run 33"s on the highway?

this 2.5" kit without shocks is $200
the new 2.0 shocks are the best, all 4 $140
a 1.25" body lift leaves room to expand underneath, $99
motor mount lift so you wont need a drop or SYE, $60
thats almost 4" of lift, more than enough for 33"s on highways and BLM / forest service trails.

There is an excellent lift to run 33"s on the highway and light trails, and $200 under your budget, take your wife or girlfriend to a nice dinner in your lifted Jeep or put that $200 toward a re-gear your going to want when you hit the highway on 33"s.
 
Not to start any arguments but I am sick of people that have never had a particular brand off something bad mouthing it. If you have had a Rough country lift and had personal experience with it, thats one thing, but most naysayers haven't. It's usually a comment like RC sucks, or don't buy cheap Pro comp stuff. Well why? because you said so, had a friend say so, or are you just repeating crap you heard from someone else? Give some personal experience or shut up. For those of you that have personally had bad experiences with said lifts please give examples, and dates to when it happened, as you know manufactures do change their products from time to time. End of Rant!!!
 
I have had a Rough Country lift and at least the shocks were no bueno and the shifter linkage they sent me was me didn't really work and the quick discos were garbage compared to others.
The 2.2 shocks arent great, thats very true, I never used the shift bracket, even with the body lift my Tuffy console made the bracket unnecessary, and I made my own disconnects with a lockring pin and a washer and a drill.

FYI, the new RC 2.0 shocks (used to be called the 9000) are very good, way improved over the 2.2s and about $40 each.
 
Why would you need all that flex, articulation, and expense for 'light trails' ? Which 2 sets of arms do you think he should get to stay in his budget (assuming he wants arms and nothing else, not even a lift)?
Why is it that you think I'm suggesting arms with JJs in them for "flex, articulation, and expense"? This doesn't have to be a vendor/parts pissing match, and wasn't my intention at all.

My opinion is just that, nothing more. Personally, I see zero value in lifting a vehicle that won't see time offroad. I also see zero value in half-assing a lift; I was burned once doing that, and I won't do it again. I also won't suggest parts that I don't personally know work well, and won't need replaced in a few years down the road from normal use. I've personally used and abused JJs, so I know they work unlike the crappy Zone arms I removed from my Jeep previously that wore out in a year.

No matter what you do with your Jeep, it's hard to not stress parts once you've lifted a vehicle. Because I was finishing up college back when I still had the Zone arms, my TJ saw more street time than anything else. I recommend what I do because I know it works. I'm not going to blindly suggest parts that may or may not hold up to what the OP is doing because they're cheap. I'm going to suggest what I know can and will hold up.
 
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If you running all highway I would suggest no lift and no larger tires. Buy a Civic.
Nobody said all highway, please read carefully or learn to read a bit better before putting your 2 cents.. thank you

And i do appreciate everybody's input and suggestions. This morning i ordered the Zone, 4.25" combo lift. I believe i made the right choice, and was well in my budget. I will be using my jeep for mostly a daily driver, but i do like to go trailing every now and again. The lift is a 3" suspension lift, w a 1.25" body lift. I've heard good reviews about this and it seems to be exactly what i need.
 
Geiman, I understand your opinion of what you concider inferior parts, but you ignore his intentions and budget, not having JJs isnt half-assing a lift, its having a lift less than yours, I wasnt making a suggestion for what I would run, I was making a suggestion for what he wanted to do and within what he wanted to spend, you dont go to a sports car forum and tell the guy that has $50k to spend that anything less than the DB9RS is a waste of his money and if he cant go big go home, thats all suggesting JJs for someone on a $700 budget does.

I apologise if it looked like the start of a parts/vendor pissing match, that wasnt my intention, I never mentioned any supplier, only that the expense of the suggestion would blow his budget and not even complete the one purchase no matter where he bought them.
 
O_M_Jeep said:
The 2.2 shocks arent great, thats very true, I never used the shift bracket, even with the body lift my Tuffy console made the bracket unnecessary, and I made my own disconnects with a lockring pin and a washer and a drill.

FYI, the new RC 2.0 shocks (used to be called the 9000) are very good, way improved over the 2.2s and about $40 each.
Yeah the 2.2s were rough. I don't have any experience with the 2.0s. I got myself some OME shocks and have been a happy camper :D
 
Geiman, I understand your opinion of what you concider inferior parts, but you ignore his intentions and budget,
No, I'm not ignoring his intentions or his budget. I'm giving a simple opinion as to what I see acceptable when lifting a vehicle. When I first began this, I had a smaller budget than he does; over time I saw that wasn't realistic and things have changed.

not having JJs isnt half-assing a lift, its having a lift less than yours
:nonono:

Again, I'm suggesting what I am because it works. If he stays on the street 100% of the time, it will hold up; the cheaper stuff might hold up as well, it's hard to tell. But, if in a year or two he decides to get more into offroading, the stuff I'm suggesting will still hold up well; I can't say the same for some of the budget stuff. I like to look long term.

Like I said, it's just my 2cents.
 
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