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K.wag

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For starters, sorry for yet another thread, I didn't want to hijack somebody elses issue and end up confusing everyone with my symptoms in the mix...

The vibes:
They started out subtle and have slowly become more prominent. It is a rythmic vibration. It is on for two seconds or so and then goes away as if somebody flipped a switch. Off for two seconds then back on, and so on. They start when I hit about 50-55mph and continue until i hit about 70mph and go away. It is not a violent vibration like death wobble or anything like that, more like a buzz that I can feel throughout the vehicle

My investigation:
I have narrowed down the issue to the front driveshaft area (aka, i removed the front driveshaft and vibes go away.
Inspecting the driveshaft, all u joints rotate easily, and look to be in good working condition. No loose or joints (and I know what bad u joints look like, I have replaced diagnosed and replaced several)
The front pinion is leaking and I am working on replacing the seal once I track down an air impact ratchet. But the yoke is solid, no bent ears and doesn't move (other than its normal rotation) so would a leak cause this? I am assuming not as removing the driveshaft, the differential still spins.
I did notice the yoke on the transfer case has some in/out play. VERY subtle. I wouldn't have noticed if I wasn't checking everything multiple times. No side to side play or anything else, just in and out. I tried tightening the yoke nut hoping that was it, but it didn't budge. Upon further inspection, it looks as if even the bolt portion goes in and out, not just a loose nut, so tightening it does not look to be the problem. Is there supposed to be play there naturally? Is this a common issue?

i am looking for any possible advice
 
Discussion starter · #3 ·
fluid was changed about a year ago and didn't look too bad, level check was done about a month ago and was fine. It isn't really that bad, just was another thing to do while I was down there
 
Hi all, I'm new to the forum.
Did anyone find the solution to this problem.
I've been having the same thing and its driving me mad.
All was fine until an off road trip. Nothing to strenuous.
On the way home the vibration started.
I thought it was the front u joints, so changed them.
No difference.
Removed the front driveshaft and the vibration stopped.
So I assumed I'd bent the shaft.
So replaced the shaft with a new one.
The vibration has returned, although reduced.
Oil in the axel was changed 6 months ago and there are no leaks.
I found a few warn bushes and changed them.
No change.
Can anyone help please.
 
Rhythmic vibrations felt up through the seat of your pants are usually from a bad pinion angle... too high or too low.

Do you have a SYE and CV driveshaft? Is the rear pinion angle proper for the type of driveshaft installed, OE or CV?

Do you have adjustable length control arms front and rear?
 
Thanks for the help.


As far as I know both front and rear drive shafts are stock. The control arms are not adjustable.
I was thinking of replacing the arms with adjustable ones but 2 things keep bothering me!
1/ if its the pinion angle that's out why was it driving so smoothly until a couple of weeks ago. Nothing has changed.
2/ if removing the front drive shaft stops all vibration does that mean its the front shaft that's out of alignment.


Don't mind spending money but I don't want to keep throwing money down the drain try to solve this.


Thanks.
 
Discussion starter · #7 ·
I don't have a SYE but it has a t case drop installed. It has been on for more than a year and the vibes are recent. I can't see how that affects it however as the vibes went away when I removed the front driveshaft
 
Does your centering ball in the cv joint have play?
 
I don't have a SYE but it has a t case drop installed. It has been on for more than a year and the vibes are recent. I can't see how that affects it however as the vibes went away when I removed the front driveshaft
It's sure sounding now like there may be a bad u-joint in the front driveshaft.
 
Hi again.
As stated I'm having the same problem as K.wag.
I've read some other threads, literally hundreds.
Some people say vibration is caused by a bent output shaft.
What I can't find out is does a bent output shaft cause a rhythmic vibration or a constant one.
Any ideas.
 
Discussion starter · #13 ·
I checked all u joints and cv joint when I had the shaft out. They all functioned properly.
I want to say it is the transfer case output shaft as well, but have not replaced it so I can't say with any certainty.
 
Did you check the axle joints? I had a vibe like that from 50+. Sometimes it wouldn't even do it. Both axle u joints had play. Fixed the problem for me
 
What year and trans do you have
 
Hi again.
As stated I'm having the same problem as K.wag.
I've read some other threads, literally hundreds.
Some people say vibration is caused by a bent output shaft.
What I can't find out is does a bent output shaft cause a rhythmic vibration or a constant one.
Any ideas.
Not an all inclusive response but in my recent experience, an out of balance shaft caused a constant vibration increasing in frequency as speed increased. An off centered output yoke caused two symptoms. First an speed specific vibration (mine occurred at 43 mph and went away at 46 mph). Followed by a rhythmic or pulsating vibration above 60 mph.

My output shaft was not bent but rather the output yoke was mis drilled 0.035 out of center. (It was a bitch to figure that out!) I think that a bent output shaft would yield similar results but maybe at different speeds.

Let me know if you want to know how i checked my output yoke...
 
Discussion starter · #18 ·
I have an 04 with the 5 speed manual.

An off centered output yoke caused two symptoms. First an speed specific vibration (mine occurred at 43 mph and went away at 46 mph). Followed by a rhythmic or pulsating vibration above 60 mph.

My output shaft was not bent but rather the output yoke was mis drilled 0.035 out of center. (It was a bitch to figure that out!) I think that a bent output shaft would yield similar results but maybe at different speeds.

Let me know if you want to know how i checked my output yoke...
That sounds to me like my symptoms. Rhythmic vibration that starts at about 60 and goes away at about 67mph. I can't imagine mine was mis drilled as it hasn't done this up until now.

How did you check it?
 
I have an 04 with the 5 speed manual.

That sounds to me like my symptoms. Rhythmic vibration that starts at about 60 and goes away at about 67mph. I can't imagine mine was mis drilled as it hasn't done this up until now.

How did you check it?
Since the output yoke on the transfer case isn't circular you need something bolted to it that will let you measure the concentricity of the yokes rotation.

I got just the ball yoke portion of a double cardon joint and bolted it to the output yoke of the transfer case. (Without a u-joint.) I removed the dust shield from the ball yoke (rubber on some and steel on others. The outer rim where the dust seal rides is machined concentric to the shaft rotation. Then I set up a dial micrometer with a magnetic base on the belly pan. Set the tip of the dial micrometer on the rim of the machined edge and with the transfer case in neutral, slowly rotate the shaft by hand and you can see how much the dial moves. Max read to min read should be 5 thousandths or less with 0-1 thousandths being ideal.

I still have the parts on my bench, so I will try to take some pic's and post them later this evening after I get home.

If your shaft worked ok before, you could just have a bad u-joint or even a bad centering ball. All are relatively easy to replace. Just a thought..
 
Discussion starter · #20 ·
haha that sounds overly complicated but I bet it saved you a lot of trouble!

I was considering just replacing the yoke, but the vibe is not bad enough for me to spend money I don't have yet.
 
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